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I don't care if it's nice or not. I wish you could convert all that A-EON and Hyperion bashing posts into some articles about MorphOS and contribute this way to the community. Repeating the same stuff over and over again gives nothing. Sorry if it's not nice again but this is the way I see it.

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While high end PPC G5 Mac is hard to get, I hope it gets fully supported by MorphOS during its PPC era.

Mindset on X1000 purchase (on my personal example is)

a) Having no children or urgent mid term higher spendings (house, car etc.)
b) Wishing to have high end new Amiga(One), especially if you were either one of high end Classic owners, or you wanted it to be decades ago, but you couldn`t (East Europe)
c) Wishing to support the development. If there were no X1000 purchases, I doubt there would be x5000 and AEONs software purchases

Since I have tested X1000 under Linux and OS4, its fast enough, but no revelation. I wish for the future it was more G5 like in CPU performance (Altivec,SATA2 on fasted HDD or SSD, FPU and memory tests are fast) or it was a Power8 mobo. But it is what it is. Especially under AmigaOS where most of Nemo board can`t be used, and if compared in performance to SAM460ex where it offers equal performance gain to SAM460ex price. I found it to be very usable Linux system, which doesn`t make it that much of a non-usable toy.

I am saying all this, because X5000 is similar product. Its not in high end computing but in niche market of fastest available desktop PPC board. Whatever promotion and market visibility X5000 receives, there is a potential benefit for MorphOS.

One in all, while I dislike way Hyperion does things, AEON seems to do things nice way.

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Much of what you wrote I agree to, but it _may_ be different. Thing is, we don't know much real life power of the 50x0. While the PA6T is a pretty castrated chip of low performance this may not be the case for the 50x0. The ALU is fast (three instructions/cycle), the bus is fast, many modern peripherals are integrated to the chip. If Freescale did their job well it can be actually quite an interesting chip that probably performs _different_ than the 744x or 970xx do.
And yes, something like 3000 US$ is quite a lot of money, even only the half would be quite a very steep price, but depending on actual performance and state of my bank account even I can imagine scenarios where I could start thinking about buying one. Most of all: It's new and not a electric energy hog (like the G5s). My G4s are running fine still and except one harddrive I never had a hardware failure with any of my hardware ( C=, Phase5, bplan & Apple to name the ppc and 68k ones), but they are about 10 years old now. It's not granted they will run 10 more years. Sure, if there's a failure i can head over to ebay and get another machine for pocket money (would probably do so anyway), but that hardware is aging, too. Hence, new hardware has a certain appeal. Dunno though how much $$$ this appeal may be worth and I doubt it will do the math for me. But there are quite some ppl whose wallet opens quicker than mine. Hence, i wouldn't say it's a given that X5000 with MorphOS will be a "failure", but I also wouldn't bet money on a "success".

@vox

I understand that they are hard to find where you live, but it's pretty easy over here in Sweden. The other day I even found a G5 @ 2.7 GHz (without HDD) for 30€ (!). I'm bummed that I didn't buy it (even though I don't need it).

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Yes, they are cheap here too.
I purchased a 2.7 for about $50.

@Jim

Yeah! Sadly, the market is very uneven. Sometimes there are plenty of cheap G5:s, sometimes it's all dried up. I bought two of my G5:s during a dry spell and paid 300€ and 200€ for them. Overprices yes, but they where exactly what I wanted so I paid anyway

I wonder if you will ever see a used X5000 for 300€ or less

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If it auctions with no reserve, possible. Some years back I remember seeing a Sam440 w/OS4 on eBay go for ~$30(USD). I can't imagine the seller was all to thrilled. Haven't seen one sell with no reserve auction since (but haven't looked honestly).

@vox,

I thought you sold (traded for SAM460) your X1000 to some artist user who makes posters, or website designs?

> I thought you sold (traded for SAM460) your X1000 to some artist user
> who makes posters, or website designs?

Vox clarified later that this was no sale or trade but a case of mutual borrowing/lending.

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The way I see it there is zero benefit for MorphOS for neither Sam 460 or X5000 (other than the said improvements of Quark that happened because of this and new graphics drivers that later can be used on x86). They are too limited, too expensive, have too few users. As a "HW path forward" for MorphOS (and OS4) they are a dead-end (the same goes for OS4 of course).

Luckily it has now become more publicly acknowledged than before that the MorphOS Team are working towards a *real* future on a *real* HW platform, so under any circumstances the Sam 460 and X5000 are just side tracks on the way there, a parenthesis in MorphOS's future history...

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I dont think there are going to be many users buying new AmigaOne to run MorphOS only but at least OS4 users have now chance to get MorphOS for their hardware and MorphOS users have chance to buy new hardware.

It is not benefit for MorphOS per se but benefit to users.

Like itix said. Plus, it will give the community some competition on equal terms again

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Radeon and possible other PCI-E drivers aren`t that little, its a huge leap forward. As long as MorphOS is PPC, its good to have more mobos supported and it will be good to see MorphOS offered again in shops. No one is saying that is definite end or major benefit. Other then that I might think X5000 (maybe X1000 too) could be used to develop PPC64 (general 64-bit version) and multicore support.

So, there is still some work to do.

In perfect future MorphOS 4 would be offered both AMD64 and PPC32/64.

Likewise, its more benefit to current and possible SAM/x5000 owners, but there is also some benefit of having them on MorphOS side.

> X5000 (maybe X1000 too) could be used to develop PPC64 (general 64-bit version)

Could also be done with supported G5 Macs.

> and multicore support.

Could also be done with supported dual-G4 and dual-G5 Macs.

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Bingo!
The path to another ISA can start here with further development of the PPC variant.
Sorry grandma, I'm in no hurry to ditch the PPC.
And, as I have said, I will be buying an X5000.

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Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD". I doubt many benchmarks will be allowed once MorphOS is available for the two AmigaOne systems.

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Yes, they don't care for comparisons.
Then there is those few that want to make MorphOS look like OS4 (which I really don't get as Ambient is, to me, a big improvement).

What it comes down to is OS4 is basically a PPC port of OS3.1, while MorphOS is a new operating system with OS3.1 API compatibility.

They aren't really as similar as they would appear.

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don't forget: the MorphOS Team consists of competent and very good coders compared to some bad and shitty game porters from belgium. Just look at OS4. There is no philosophy and no vision. They just take everything from everywhere, adapt it and provide it with an OS4 skin. Look at MUI, ReAction, AmiCygnix,...
They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...

Benchmarks isn't forbidden here so people will find out eventually about them anyway. Maybe MorphOS will be the lesser system. Wanna bet?

Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?

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The MorphOS developers does!

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The corporate site owners are interested in sales. especially of expensive hardwrae. If the hardware will rock with MorphOS it will be as welcome to them as well. Once the X5000 will be supported officially they cannot hide under a rock, but must allow actual numbers. I am looking happily forward to that.

> some bad and shitty game porters from belgium.

Hermans and De Groote don't port games. Or who do you mean?

> They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...

Do you?

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I may believe it when I see something tangible, something I can use.